How to Be An Antiracist Ch. 2

Podcast Description

Dueling Consciousness

Assimilationist: One who is expressing the racist idea that a racial group is culturally or behaviorally inferior and is supporting cultural or behavioral enrichment programs to develop that racial group.

Segregationist: One who is expressing the racist idea that a permanently inferior racial group can never be developed and is supporting policy that segregates away that racial group.

Antiracist: One who is expressing the idea that racial groups are equals and none needs developing and is supporting policy that reduces racial inequality.

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Hello everyone and welcome to episode two of the How to be an antiracist podcast. We’re reading Dr. Ibram Kendi’s book How To Be An Antiracist and we’re going to start with chapter two – Dueling Consciousness 

Again, as I’ve said, I’m still trying to figure out the format I really would like you to send in questions, comments and concerns so I’ve created an email address: – which is ‘hashtag’ spelled out,


So I would like to start answering some questions as we move forward with our future episodes. Again that is


So, um again, I’m loving, loving loving – and I’d love to hear your comments about the first episode – but i’m loving how he starts every chapter with definitions. Again that’s that educator in me. So we’re going to start with, what’s an assimilationist, what is a segregationist, and what is an antiracist. 


And I’m just going to walk through the chapter. So an assimilationist is “one who is expressing the racist idea that a racial group is culturally or behaviorally inferior and is supporting cultural or behavioral enrichment programs to develop that racial group.” 

So, we’re going to talk about that a lot because this is something I talk about also in tech… it’s basically in every industry when you go into the workforce but it’s a lot – we need to challenge this in tech. When we’re expecting people to assimilate – oh that’s when you hear “they’re not a culture fit” – that’s individuals who expect people to come into their organization and change themselves to fit the organization rather than accommodating which means that the culture needs to shift everytime someone comes in. So that’s that, just wanted to give you an example of how I mean assimilationist or assimilation when I’m talking about improving inclusion and diversity in tech. Assimilationist does not encourage inclusion. You can recruit them, which is diversity, but inclusion is about retention and assimilationist is only interested in retention if these individuals assimilate to the already established culture.


So, a segregationist is “one who is expressing the racist idea that a permanently inferior racial group can never be developed and is supporting policy that segregates away that racial group.” And then there’s antiracist – cause I’m in my head, I’m trying to figure how I’m going to tease this out. So if anybody knows me, I have to talk through things and then it makes sense and then I have these aha moments but I’m just going to keep going. An antiracist is “one who is expressing the idea that racial groups are equals and none needs developing and is supporting policy that reduces racial inequity.”


So, some people ask me constantly how I manage on Twitter and these platforms, basically Twitter, and don’t get burned out and I have a strategy. And one of the strategies I have is, when you talk about segregationists – I do not engage with people who are openly White supremacists, who are segregationists. First of all, that’s the first thing I go and check their feed if they comment on my thread to see what kind of tweets they have, what’s their bio… It does me absolutely no good to engage those individuals they have already ideas in their head, they already have strongly held beliefs that a Black woman is not going to change. Actually, by engaging them, I may make myself a target, which I’m not trying to make myself a martyr for this work. So, it becomes, you know, they’re scratched off my list. 


And so I look at, then I look at – is this a person in tech? If it’s a person who’s in tech, who’s holding these ideas, that’s someone that I need to highlight, first of all because I’m sick of whisper networks and I need other people in tech need to see who this person is because someone who is in a more vulnerable or marginalized group actually has to engage with this person, which will be harmful and a lot of you good white folx, who want to give people the benefit of the doubt, I need to expose this because given them the benefit of the doubt allows them to cause harm in plain sight.


And so, then we go to – that was page, I said I was going to tell you the page – but that was just the introduction. So on page 25, he gives some data:


“White people are more likely than Black and Latinx people to sell drugs, and the races consume drugs at similar rates. Yet African Americans are far more likely than Whites to be jailed for drug offenses. Nonviolent Black drug offenders remain in prisons for about the same length of time of time (58.7 months) as violent White criminals (61.7 months).”


So, nonviolent drug offenders are staying in jail a few months below violent white criminals. And this goes to also, how I share articles about how you adultify, how the systems of White supremacy adultify Black boys and girls and infantize White boys. 


So when you see these mass killings, they’re always the, they can always figure out how to take them down without incident, without shooting them after they’ve killed people and when they show their mug shots, they don’t even show mug shots, they find these cute photos. But when it’s a black or brown person, they find …. oh also, sorry, they also have a mental illness. It’s always attributed to a mental illness. And then, because that means that if it’s a mental illness, you can’t, they’re separate from whiteness. 


You can extrapolate them out as an anomaly but if you didn’t attach that mental illness thing to make them different, then they would be the same with what happens to black people, is nonviolent offenders, they go find the worst mug shots, they don’t look for family photos. One example that comes to mind, just popped into my head was with Simone Biles and her brother being charged with three counts of murder. 


And every photo I saw had her picture in it – She is not even in the household with that individual. She was not even raised with that individual. She was adopted with her grandfather who raised her with her little sister and yet — the optic that the media wanted to share, wanted to show was a side by side picture of her and her brother, or just a picture of her, saying that her brother was just charged with third-degree murder. 


So, this is how you take blackness, the greatness of blackness down. Because she is dominating the world and has been for 6-7 years but no, we can’t have that so we’re going to put this picture against her. This is exactly the example of how that works. 


And so, then we go down to the bottom of the page and we look at 1971 and Richard Nixon – a quote: “We could arrest their leaders…” – and this is about Black panthers, this is antiwar leaders and Black leaders – “We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.” And this was his domestic policy chief talking to Harper’s Bazaar. And he said, “Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”


And this is the shit that gets me. And this is why when White people come to me with quote-unquote “facts”, it shows your ignorance, because your “facts” have been given to by people who intentionally misinform you, intentionally miseducated you. And you would rather rely on that. And they intentionally miseducated all of us, and that’s what we’re about to get to right now – they intentionally misinformed us yet in 2019, you rather hold onto that because that’s the narrative you’re most comfortable with because it supports your racist, White supremacist ideas than to get the truth.


On page 26: “Some, if not most, Black leaders, in an effort to appear as saviors of the people against this menace, turned around and set the Black criminal alongside the White racist as the enemies of the people.”


And this is where, this just breaks my heart because I – I’m going to keep talking, reading because I’m going to share some stories here. Because this is where it gets into when I say there is such a thing among Black people in the U.S. as internalized White supremacy and internalized anti-blackness. The system was designed for us to separate ourselves, to hurt ourselves, to target each other so then we are distracted and won’t see what’s the outlining racial structures. 


We don’t have time to challenge racial structures because we’re pointing fingers at each other. And I also see this in other communities, like the LGBTQ community where they’re segregating themselves and they’re causing harm to the most vulnerable in those communities because the system is set up for us all to point fingers and to distract from all of us getting together and working together and challenging the status quo. 


That should be the goal of everybody but it’s gonna take some time for us to get into these spaces and understand because we’ve been so segregated to come together and say “Hey, our goals align much better than …if we came together, our goals align much better than the differences that we see – so can we agree to disagree on the differences that are causing harm, can we come to some consensus and agreement on how we will engage so that we’re reducing harm in an order and in a fashion that we all, individuals from marginalized communities, come together and target White supremacy.”


And then it says further on page 26: “the shame about ‘Black on Black crime’ was on the verge of overwhelming a generation’s pride about ‘Black is beautiful.’ Many non-Black Americans looked down on Black addicts in revulsion – but too many Black folk looked down on the same addicts in shame.”


And again it’s that internalized White supremacy and anti-Blackness – I see this with the paper bag test. If you don’t know what the paper bag test is, it was among Black people, if you were darker than a paper bag you weren’t allowed in certain groups. I know my great-grandmother was Creole from New Orleans and she did not like dark-skinned people. And that is how White supremacy was allowed to permeate our culture, our communities and harm, put the harm of us hurting each other.


And I want to go back to this because this also speaks to when we’re talking about Black on Black crime and it talks about drug addicts I want to point out specifically how it’s a very different narrative now that opioid addiction is touching White Americans whereas crack touched Black Americans. When crack was the thing and everybody looked down on Black people who were crack addicts, they were criminals. 


As White people are being addicted to opioids and one of the reasons that they’re addicted to opioids is because and – I guess, maybe this is a saving grace for Black people, I don’t know – is that because there’s a fallacy in the medical field that Blacks can endure more pain we weren’t given opioids at the rates that White people were given opioids and they became addicted


How opioids are getting into the Black community now is by illegal matters, it’s not from a pharmacy. And now that it is a White issue it’s a healthcare issue, it’s a ‘let’s sue pharmaceuticals for marketing and such..” I just really want you to see the nuance of these narratives and how Blackness is always the villain, is always.. it’s always our fault. 


Even when the systems.. we weren’t bringing in crack. We didn’t have the power to bring in crack. Yes, there were Black crack dealers because that was in the neighborhoods but we weren’t the people who were bringing in crack – we weren’t the people who were harvesting crack, or cocaine or whatever. But yeah. Blame the.. yeah, we weren’t ill, we were criminals. So, because we weren’t ill, why would you stem the tide of crack coming into our communities?


On page 27, “antiracism seemed like an indulgence in the face of the self-destructive behavior they were witnessing all around them.” So this goes back again to anti-Blackness within our communities. He says: “My parents — even from within their racial consciousness — were susceptible to the racist idea that it was laziness that kept Black people down so they paid more attention to chastising Black people down than to Reagan’s policies, which were chopping the ladder they climbed up and then punishing people for falling.”


And this is, I see this in my own family. I come from a family from middle Georgia, the country. My great-grandfather, he was – we were – they called him “Crazy George” because White people actually in that town were actually afraid of him. There were a few Black families. That was basically a Black-owned town.. well I can’t say Black-owned town… but there were Black families there who had land, which was rare. And we still have almost 700 acres of land that my great-grandfather got for us.


He had a grocery store there, he owned a store so White people had to come there- so when I say literally, that this town was a blink and you would have missed it, there was a grocery store, a laundromat – well there wasn’t even a laundromat back then, that was when I was growing up – so there was a grocery store, a well in the store, and a gas station …. and my grandfather that was the center of town. You had the churches and everything but my great-grandfather owned the grocery store. So unless you had a car that could go to a bigger town you had to go to him for groceries. White people learned very quickly that he was not intimidated by them so they called him “Crazy George” and they wouldn’t fuck with my grandad, my great-grandfather. 


And so, if you haven’t noticed, I have a little bit, just a skosh of that in me but it talks, that is that whole — so my dad’s family comes from that and so there is a part of them that looks down on other Black poeple. And I can tell you, I had that too. Until I educated myself, I believed what I was taught – not that we were inferior, cause those words weren’t in our communities. No, I take that back, those words are in our communities when it relates to poor, mental illness, people who are addicted to drugs and alcohol – it’s a defect in them. 


So again, it goes back to the assimilationist thing, assimilation – it’s not that we believe that they are thrown away or no good – but it’s something thats a defect in them that we want to rehabilitate. So it’s not about antiracist where there’s nothing wrong about them, it’s the system – and this is what he talks about here – they did not think about, “they paid more attention to chastising Black people than Reagan’s policies, which were chopping the ladder they climbed up and then punishing people for falling.” And that’s what we do. 


So then it goes at the bottom, violent police “who killed twenty-two Black people for every White person in the early 1980s. Black youth were four times more likely to be unemployed in 1985 than in 1954. But few connected the increase in unemployment to the increase in violent crime.”


And so I want to bring your attention to, and I’m going to put this in the show notes, there’s a Twitter thread – people have been talking about Jay-Z and the NFL – and this Twitter thread shows this whole thing playing out. How we have blamed Black youth, Blacks in general for their current situations without looking at the circumstances that have created those situations. And also in this episode I am going to add an episode from the #causeascene podcast where my guest who lived in housing project talks about how the Black family was torn apart and refutes the myth that there’s a lack of Black family or a lack of Black men who took care of their families. 


This was intentional, this was planned and so I’ll make sure to add that to the show notes.


And so on page 28: “Americans have long been trained to see the deficiencies of people rather than policy. It’s a pretty easy mistake to make: People are in our faces. Policies are distant. We are particularly poor at seeing the policies lurking behind the struggles of people. And so my parents turned away from the problems of policy to look at the problems of people—and reverted to striving to save and civilize Black people rather than liberate them. Civilizer theology became more attractive to my parents, in the face of the rise of crack and the damage it did to Black people, as it did to so many children of civil rights and Black power. But in many ways, liberation theology remained their philosophical home, the home they raised me in.


And that was page 28, so at the bottom of that page: “They joined other Black people trying to fit into that White space while trying to be themselves and save their people.” Oh, this saddens me this just breaks my heart because I see this still today. This is why I say “fuck civility”. 


“They were not wearing a mask as much as splitting into two minds.”  This is a kind of psychosis, a kind of schism which leads to a lot of anxiety and angst and death in our communities. And this, what I’m about to read, is so about the White gaze and I love Toni Morrison for talking about that, and if you haven’t seen her documentary, you need go check that out.


“W.E.B. Du Bois said in 1903: ‘It is a peculiar sensation, this double-consciousness, this sense of always looking at one’s self through the eyes of others’

… ‘To be American is to be White. To be White is to not be a Negro.’ … ‘dueling consciousness'” – one, and so he gives a definition of dueling consciousness, but I want you to understand that this, before I go there, this is the narrative: “‘To be American is to be White. To be White is to not be a Negro.'”


And you can say the same thing, to be White is to not be those individuals that are coming across the border, to be White is to not be Native Americans or indigenous individuals who were here before Whiteness got here. To be White, to be American is to be White. And if you don’t challenge that within yourself, White people, you are the problem. You will continue to be complicit.


So, the definition of dueling consciousness: “‘One ever feels his two-ness,’ Du Bois explained, ‘an American, a Negro; two souls, two thoughts, two unreconciled strivings; two warring ideals in one dark body, whose dogged strength alone keeps it from being torn asunder.’


This is what I’m saying about – this is a schism. We’re fighting ourselves and fighting the systems of White supremacy but how the system is set up, we don’t recognize that we’re fighting ourselves and so we are causing ourselves so much trauma and so much harm which doesn’t give us space to do anything against the systems of White supremacy. 


“The duel within Black consciousness seems to usually be between antiracist and assimilationist ideas. Du Bois believed in both the antiracist concept of racial relativity, of every racial group looking at itself with its own eyes, and the assimilationist concept of racial standards, of ‘looking at one’s self through the eyes’ of another racial group—in his case, White people. In other words, he wanted to liberate Black people from racism but he also wanted to change them, to save them from their ‘relic of barbarism.'” Think about that.. just think about that. Think about our leaders in our Black communities who are trying to liberate Blackness through the eyes, or through the lens, or through the systems of White supremacy of assimilation. 


“Assimilationist ideas are racist ideas. Assimilationists can position any racial group as the superior standard that another racial group should be measuring themselves against, the benchmark they should be trying to reach. Assimilationists typically position White people as the superior standard.”  So, man, this is just so painful to read – I don’t know about you, but… 


So on page 30: “Black self-reliance was a double-edged sword. One side was an abhorrence of White supremacy and White paternalism, White rulers and White saviors. On the other, a love of Black rulers and Black saviors, of Black paternalism. On one side was the antiracist belief that Black people were entirely capable of ruling themselves, of relying on themselves. On the other, the assimilationist idea that Black people should focus on pulling themselves up by their jeans and tight halter tops, getting off crack, street corners, and government “handouts,” as if those were the things partially holding their incomes down. This dueling consciousness nourished Black pride by insisting that there was nothing wrong with Black people, but it also cultivated shame with its implication that there was something behaviorally wrong with Black people . . . well, at least those other Black people If the problem was in our own behavior, then Reagan revolutionaries were not keeping Black people down—we were keeping ourselves down.” 


And this is where I’m going to stop and talk about MLK because this is where I just love when White people want to bring out the “I Have a Dream” speech but don’t want talk about how more towards the end of his life, MLK was in line with Malcolm X and the Black Power movement because he stopped, he started to realize that he was an assimilationist and by being an assimilationist he was causing he communities to be harmed.


And I will also add that to the thread for this show notes, this interview of MLK, thirteen, no eleven months before he was killed. This is the article that got him killed, these were the sentiments that got him killed. It was when he realized we were more in line with the poor people’s movement and that we would be more in line with poor people and Whites realized that no, he was making comparisons that Whites were going to start listening to, poor Whites were going to start listening to and aligning. 


And just, okay, just pulled that up because I want to make sure that I’m going to remember to put that in the show notes. And on the headline, in all red at the top of this NBC news, it says “Morning rundown, millions brace for Dorian,” – which is the hurricane – “a shooter’s downward spiral and Simone Biles on her brother’s arrest.” This right here is what I’m talking about – why does she even need to speak on her brother’s arrest?


Okay. So. We will continue: “White people have their own dueling consciousness, between the segregationist and the assimilationist: the slave trader and the missionary, the proslavery exploiter and the antislavery civilizer, the eugenicist and the melting potter, the mass incarcerator and the mass developer, the Blue Lives Matter and the All Lives Matter, the not-racist nationalist and the not-racist American. Assimilationist ideas and segregationist ideas are the two types of racist ideas, the duel within racist thought. White assimilationist ideas challenge segregationist ideas that claim people of color are incapable of development, incapable of reaching the superior standard, incapable of becoming White and therefore fully human. Assimilationists believe that people of color can, in fact, be developed, become fully human, just like White people.” 


Now I want you to understand that – the standard is always Whiteness.

“Assimilationist ideas reduce people of color to the level of children needing instruction on how to act. Segregationist ideas cast people of color as “animals,” to use Trump’s descriptor for Latinx immigrants—unteachable after a point. The history of the racialized world is a three-way fight between assimilationists, segregationists, and antiracists. Antiracist ideas are based in the truth that racial groups are equals in all the ways they are different, assimilationist ideas are rooted in the notion that certain racial groups are culturally or behaviorally inferior, and segregationist ideas spring from a belief in genetic racial distinction and fixed hierarchy. “


So I want you to think about this as you, in the community, continue to engage with people on Twitter, continue to engage with people in your communities and your families because you have to have a strategy to do this work and so what I want you to, as you’re thinking about engaging, you need to figure out where these individuals fall – 


Are these individuals segregationists who believe that in a racial distinction and fixed hierarchy? If so, you’re going to have a harder time, quote-unquote, “changing these people’s minds.” 


And so some of these people are going to have to be left behind as we shift the perspective of assimilationists who believe that, it’s rooted in the notion that certain groups are culturally or behaviorally inferior. Those are the individuals that we need to spend our time on because that’s the bulk of the individuals. It’s the same thing as with Trump supporters. His diehard supporters aren’t going to go anywhere because they are following him because of racial fear. They fear that White people will be the minority. Nothing you can say about economics, about anything, is going to change that.


And that is why the book, shoot, I can’t think of the name of it right now, must be upstairs… but by Jonathan Metzl, I think his name is… about how poor Whites would rather poor, and not receive, well not stay poor. Poor Whites would rather not get Medicaid funding, funded Affordable Act, affordable healthcare from the, I mean, yeah, healthcare from the Affordable – cause I don’t want to call it Obamacare, because that’s not what it is – Affordable Health Act.


Because it means – they’d rather forego that for them to get it they understand that Black and Brown people get it and so they would rather – that’s what in the South we call “cutting off your nose to spite your face”, “throwing out the baby with the bathwater”, there’s so many of those little terms. But that’s, those are the segregationists, those are the individuals that I have no time for because there’s no way I’m going to move so why would I to spend my energy there?


If there’s somebody in your family you love and care for, you go right ahead. But our energy should be spent on the bulk of the people who are assimilationist and those are the people, again when it comes to the election. We are not going to convert diehard Trump people. What we’re going to, who we’re going to convert are those wishy-washy White folx who are just waking up to the fact that they have privilege, that they thought it was unearned privilege, that they’re just recognizing the fact that they’re not as special as they thought they were. Those are the individuals who we need to be working with. 


On page 32, “There never was a civilized nation of any other comp…” Ok, so this was:  “Enlightenment philosopher David Hume wrote in 1753: ‘There never was a civilized nation of any other complexion than white'”


And I’m just going to keep hitting you with this. “While segregationist ideas a racial group is permanently inferior, assimilationist Ideas suggest a racial group is temporarily inferior.” Just the fact that they believe there is inferiority in there is so about privilege, is so about discrimination. And again, I have to turn the mirror on my Black community. We need to stop this. We need to stop seeing other people as inferior to us. I’ve had many conversations with people about Omarosa. Would I want to sit down and have dinner with her? No. She’s not, I’m sure there are a lot of things we don’t have in common so I would not want to sit down and have dinner with this woman. But would I throw her out, as we say, she can never come back to the picnic? No, I’m not going to do that. 


Because what I can show you is that she is one Black person, Black woman who figured out a way to play that game in such a way that she got to the highest levels of government and they still underestimated her, they still saw her as inferior because she was allowed to take both audio and video recording equipment into the situation room. They didn’t even… you know, it’s like the slaves. They would say anything around them at the dinner table, whatever, because oh you don’t matter, you’re not a threat to me. They didn’t even consider that a Black woman. Black women document everything because we need to cover our ass but they didn’t even consider her as a, as a, as even a threat. So yeah, I see it. So no, I’m not going to throw her away. 


“The dueling White consciousness fashioned two types of racist policies, reflecting the duel of racist ideas. Since assimilationists posit cultural and behavioral hierarchy, assimilationist policies and programs are geared toward developing, civilizing, and integrating a racial group (to distinguish from programs that uplift individuals). Since segregationists posit the incapability of a racial group to be civilized and developed, segregationist policies are geared toward segregating, enslaving, incarcerating, deporting, and killing. Since antiracists posit that the racial groups are already civilized, antiracist policies are geared toward reducing racial inequities and creating equal opportunity.

White people” – I underlined this sentence – “White people have generally advocated for both assimilationist and segregationist policies. People of color have generally advocated for both antiracist and assimilationist policies…. this dueling consciousness, yielded an inner strife between Black pride and a yearning to be White.” 


And I can tell you, growing up, I didn’t understand this at all but I was an only child and my mom spent a lot, we did feast or famine always. And when we had feast, when she had extra money, she was always putting me in some programs, always putting me in something. And I was always the only. And I can tell you, not even having the vocabulary, I knew that being White was a better situation than it was being Black in those places. And I knew that but I didn’t have the language. And because I knew that and I didn’t have the language, it caused me such internal harm. It caused me so much trauma. 


And this is another reason why I – I have a hard time with people who are having Black and Brown babies and who are adopting Black and Brown babies who are White parents. Because if you’re not ready to reckon with this — when your Black and Brown young person is ready to go out into the world, if you’re not ready to deal with the fact that you are still complicit in harming your Black and Brown child, I see this as no different than child abuse. And a very violent aspect of child abuse. Because your Black and Brown young person sees you, you’re the first indicator, the first example of what love looks like. And if you’re gaslighting them, if they feel like their coming to you with their lived experience of being traumatized and hurt in the real world away from you will hurt your feelings and make you uncomfortable, if they can’t tell you that, that’s child abuse.


On page 33, “The dueling White consciousness has, from its position of relative power, shaped the struggle within Black consciousness.” And so I underlined this and then I wrote in the margins, what I’m about to say now, is this is about civility and tone policing. “…the White consciousness duels. The White body defines the American body. The White body segregates the Black body from the American body The White body instructs the Black body to assimilate into the American body. The White body rejects the Black body assimilating into the American body—and history and consciousness duel anew.”


So, the White body says only Whiteness is American so Black people, to be American you need to be more White. But then, you’re rejected by the White body, and then we can never be — see, that’s the thing! See, this is why I throw off civility and I throw off all these other things because the way the system is set up, you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t. We’ll never get there but Whiteness always has the carrot in front of us – keep going one more step and that’s the line, and then we get to that line they move the line. Ok keep going one more step and that’s the line. 


“The Black body in turn experiences the same duel. The Black body is instructed to become an American body. The American body is the White body. The Black body strives to assimilate into the American body. The American body rejects the Black body. The Black body separates from the American body. The Black body is instructed to assimilate into the American body—and history and consciousness duel anew. 

But there is a way to get free. To be antiracist is to emancipate oneself from the dueling consciousness. To be antiracist is to conquer the assimilationist consciousness and the segregationist consciousness. The White body no longer presents itself as the American body; the Black body no longer strives to be the American body, knowing there is no such thing as the American body, only American bodies, racialized by power.”


Ah, so that was chapter two. So when I was reading this, something that came to my mind is… based on the conversations that we’re having back and forth on Twitter. I want this to be the beginning. I see the need for this, I don’t want this to stop at this book. So what this will become is the antiracist tech agenda. I’m still going to figure this out as we go through these eighteen weeks and I’d like your opinions about this. If they are aligned with antiracist ideology. If you’re coming to me with some segregationist or some assimilationist bullshit, you will be shut down. So, I really want to have this, still want to have these ongoing conversations so we can all figure out how to redefine White supremacy in the tech space. How we can really create positive services that don’t harm our employees, our customers, and our clients. So just know, this is the beginning of the antiracist tech agenda and if you have any questions, comments, and concerns, please send them to Thank you and have a wonderful day.

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